Comments on: Illegal Immigrants and Crime http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/ I am an undocumented university student. These are my views of life as I know it. Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:31:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: iamashadow http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-285 iamashadow Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:20:39 +0000 http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-285 I didn't choose to come here...I was 10...a little too young to understand what I was doing. You are saying it as if it was my choice, believe, me anyone who came here when they were 10, 11, 12 or less, didn't have a choice in the matter. It certainly wasn't my choice. I didn’t choose to come here…I was 10…a little too young to understand what I was doing. You are saying it as if it was my choice, believe, me anyone who came here when they were 10, 11, 12 or less, didn’t have a choice in the matter. It certainly wasn’t my choice.

]]> By: Cass http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-284 Cass Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:30:20 +0000 http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-284 excusee me, but if your willing enough to cross the border and do something illegal in the first place, whos to say you won't do something else illegal cause you already proved yourself of doing something illegal!!! excusee me, but if your willing enough to cross the border and do something illegal in the first place, whos to say you won’t do something else illegal cause you already proved yourself of doing something illegal!!!

]]> By: iamashadow http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-109 iamashadow Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:30:31 +0000 http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-109 I'm not saying to open up the borders. I just don't like the fact that immigrants are getting pounded in politics because they can't speak out to defend their dignity and no one is doing it for them. Immigrants are human beings. I believe in compromise. What that compromise is? I don't know. But right now any chance at making that compromise is being shot down by those voices who only want enforcement. Enforcement is not the answer to everything, after all, almost half of the undocumented immigrants came in with legal visas. They just overstayed. I’m not saying to open up the borders. I just don’t like the fact that immigrants are getting pounded in politics because they can’t speak out to defend their dignity and no one is doing it for them. Immigrants are human beings. I believe in compromise. What that compromise is? I don’t know. But right now any chance at making that compromise is being shot down by those voices who only want enforcement. Enforcement is not the answer to everything, after all, almost half of the undocumented immigrants came in with legal visas. They just overstayed.

]]> By: americanchaos http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-102 americanchaos Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:52:25 +0000 http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-102 Immigration is one those issues, like abortion, race, gay rights and some others, where debate frequently deteriorates into hostility, finger-pointing and people talking past one another. It’s also an issue where the point of view of both sides, if taken to extremes, can result in absurd conclusions. The position that says “open borders, no matter what” would provide no barrier to tens if not hundreds of millions of immigrants potentially setting up shanties on public streets and squatting on public lands until American cities began to resemble Calcutta or Rio de Janeiro. Even mass immigration from regions with similar levels of economic development (like Japan and other Pacific Rim countries, Australia and New Zealand or Western Europe) would result in serious problems pertaining to overcrowded schools and neighborhoods, burdens on entitlements, social services and public transportation systems, ecological damage and effects on wage and employment rates. However, the position that says “zero immigration, no matter what” also brings with it certain destructive implications, not the least of which is the likelihood that a Something-like police state would be necessary for its enforcement. Immigration is one those issues, like abortion, race, gay rights and some others, where debate frequently deteriorates into hostility, finger-pointing and people talking past one another. It’s also an issue where the point of view of both sides, if taken to extremes, can result in absurd conclusions. The position that says “open borders, no matter what” would provide no barrier to tens if not hundreds of millions of immigrants potentially setting up shanties on public streets and squatting on public lands until American cities began to resemble Calcutta or Rio de Janeiro. Even mass immigration from regions with similar levels of economic development (like Japan and other Pacific Rim countries, Australia and New Zealand or Western Europe) would result in serious problems pertaining to overcrowded schools and neighborhoods, burdens on entitlements, social services and public transportation systems, ecological damage and effects on wage and employment rates. However, the position that says “zero immigration, no matter what” also brings with it certain destructive implications, not the least of which is the likelihood that a Something-like police state would be necessary for its enforcement.

]]> By: americanchaos http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-101 americanchaos Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:45:20 +0000 http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-101 I won't disagree with ya there, I know for a fact that not all immigrants are criminals, and native born citizens can be just as bad when it comes to crimes. Unfortunatley there is a whole bunch of other countries out their that the people are poorer than the people in Latin America. and they can't sneak into the country they have to wait and go through the legal process. The government only lets so many people in every year for a reason. I won’t disagree with ya there, I know for a fact that not all immigrants are criminals, and native born citizens can be just as bad when it comes to crimes.

Unfortunatley there is a whole bunch of other countries out their that the people are poorer than the people in Latin America. and they can’t sneak into the country they have to wait and go through the legal process.

The government only lets so many people in every year for a reason.

]]> By: fash http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-100 fash Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:27:14 +0000 http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-100 Um...being undocumented is indeed a victimless "crime". Yes, some undocumented migrants go on to commit other crimes once they are here, but those crimes are separate from their status and do not reflect on all undocumented immigrants. It's funny, chaos, that you posted statistics from the same bogus "INS" report that this article was debunking. You removed the title so we wouldn't see the whole 2006 INS Report thing (when INS ceased to exist in 2003), but it's still the same. Now, where are your REAL sources? Do you have any data showing that undocumented immigrants make up 25%? Because I have data which debunks that myth--here: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/pjim05.pdf Only 6.4% of STATE and FEDERAL prisons are made up of noncitizens--that means all immigrants, not just undocumented ones, so the number for undocumented immigrants are even lower. Um…being undocumented is indeed a victimless “crime”. Yes, some undocumented migrants go on to commit other crimes once they are here, but those crimes are separate from their status and do not reflect on all undocumented immigrants.

It’s funny, chaos, that you posted statistics from the same bogus “INS” report that this article was debunking. You removed the title so we wouldn’t see the whole 2006 INS Report thing (when INS ceased to exist in 2003), but it’s still the same.

Now, where are your REAL sources? Do you have any data showing that undocumented immigrants make up 25%? Because I have data which debunks that myth–here:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/pjim05.pdf

Only 6.4% of STATE and FEDERAL prisons are made up of noncitizens–that means all immigrants, not just undocumented ones, so the number for undocumented immigrants are even lower.

]]> By: iamashadow http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-99 iamashadow Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:23:05 +0000 http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-99 And as I said, deport the scumbags who commit crimes. They are giving immigrants who are good people a bad name, a very bad name. Now, all waves of immigrants have had their bad apples, there is no denying that. Kicking them out is not the answer. Most immigrants are not people who commit crimes, a lot of them are good people who only came here to work and have a better life. Believe me, they would all love to come legally but they can't because the US only allows so many unskilled laborers to come. And a lot of them do come legally and overstay their visas, about half of them do so it is not a problem of just shutting down the border. And what about the kids who are forced to come here, they are certainly not criminals. They are Americans in every sense of the word and you are lumping them with criminals, that's kind of sad. And crimes, you don't have to be an immigrant to be criminal, I'm sure a lot of citizens do that too. And as I said, deport the scumbags who commit crimes. They are giving immigrants who are good people a bad name, a very bad name. Now, all waves of immigrants have had their bad apples, there is no denying that. Kicking them out is not the answer. Most immigrants are not people who commit crimes, a lot of them are good people who only came here to work and have a better life. Believe me, they would all love to come legally but they can’t because the US only allows so many unskilled laborers to come. And a lot of them do come legally and overstay their visas, about half of them do so it is not a problem of just shutting down the border. And what about the kids who are forced to come here, they are certainly not criminals. They are Americans in every sense of the word and you are lumping them with criminals, that’s kind of sad. And crimes, you don’t have to be an immigrant to be criminal, I’m sure a lot of citizens do that too.

]]> By: americanchaos http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-97 americanchaos Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:38:46 +0000 http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-97 Check this out like I said not a victimless crime. http://www.voiac.org/ Check this out like I said not a victimless crime.

http://www.voiac.org/

]]> By: americanchaos http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-95 americanchaos Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:11:21 +0000 http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-95 They may want to work and working is not a crime, but that dose not ignore the simple FACT of the matter is that it is considered a CRIME Worldwide to cross borders into any Country, and take up residence without that Country's permission. No I did not get my information from the FBI/INS They may want to work and working is not a crime, but that dose not ignore the simple FACT of the matter is that it is considered a CRIME Worldwide to cross borders into any Country, and take up residence without that Country’s permission.

No I did not get my information from the FBI/INS

]]> By: iamashadow http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-94 iamashadow Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:07:31 +0000 http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-94 Fraudulent SS# because they want to work. I don't see anyone complaining about the billions that they pour into Social Security that they are NOT going to get back. Identity theft, only the stupidest of immigrants would use that because of the fact they know that's wrong and I don't condone it either. Tax evasion? I don't even know how they would do that. And driving without a license. I'm telling you, they would all love to get licenses but unfortunately states don't want them so they are forced to not have licenses and do things the wrong way in order to, you know, work and find food some place. Where did you get your facts? Which illustrious organization gave them out, Numbers USA or FAIR? Did they use the FBI/INS Statistical Report on Immigrants? Fraudulent SS# because they want to work. I don’t see anyone complaining about the billions that they pour into Social Security that they are NOT going to get back. Identity theft, only the stupidest of immigrants would use that because of the fact they know that’s wrong and I don’t condone it either. Tax evasion? I don’t even know how they would do that. And driving without a license. I’m telling you, they would all love to get licenses but unfortunately states don’t want them so they are forced to not have licenses and do things the wrong way in order to, you know, work and find food some place. Where did you get your facts? Which illustrious organization gave them out, Numbers USA or FAIR? Did they use the FBI/INS Statistical Report on Immigrants?

]]> By: americanchaos http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-92 americanchaos Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:11:49 +0000 http://iamashadow.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/illegal-immigrants-and-crime/#comment-92 Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent social security numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses represent some of the crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens on a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal status. In addition, violent crime and drug distribution and possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25% of today's federal prison population are illegal aliens. In some areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens." (emphasis added) Ignoring the “minor crime” such as ID theft and property crimes being committed by illegal aliens, here is a summary on some of the collateral damage reaped in crimes as a result of tolerating illegal aliens in the USA: · In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens. · There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals. · 80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator. · Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that appears to be 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population. · In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year. · At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. .. · 56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions. · Illegal aliens charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies. · Illegal aliens commit 1,172,036 or more crimes per year. · Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population. The number could be as high as 4,380 murders per year which would be a rate that is 5.4 times representation. · Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year. · There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught. · Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been previously deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime. · Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally. · In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims. · Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous. · The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states. · The crimes of the 270,000 incarcerated illegal aliens cost society as much as $432 Billion. · The overall financial impact of illegal alien criminals currently walking the streets of America cost somewhere between $14.4 and $437 billion – PER YEAR. Still think illegal immigration is a “victimless crime” and we don’t need to control our borders? Remember, about 60% of the crimes being committed are by illegal aliens who were previously deported. Allowing our borders to be disregarded coupled with little national commitment about doing anything about it has resulted in growing mayhem by illegal alien criminals, not a “victimless crime.” Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are engaged in criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent social security numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses represent some of the crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens on a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal status.

In addition, violent crime and drug distribution and possession is also prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25% of today’s federal prison population are illegal aliens. In some areas of the country, 12% of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens.” (emphasis added)

Ignoring the “minor crime” such as ID theft and property crimes being committed by illegal aliens, here is a summary on some of the collateral damage reaped in crimes as a result of tolerating illegal aliens in the USA:

· In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.

· There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.

· 80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.

· Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that appears to be 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.

· In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year.

· At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. ..

· 56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.

· Illegal aliens charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.

· Illegal aliens commit 1,172,036 or more crimes per year.

· Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population. The number could be as high as 4,380 murders per year which would be a rate that is 5.4 times representation.

· Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.

· There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.

· Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been previously deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.

· Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.

· In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.

· Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous.

· The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states.

· The crimes of the 270,000 incarcerated illegal aliens cost society as much as $432 Billion.

· The overall financial impact of illegal alien criminals currently walking the streets of America cost somewhere between $14.4 and $437 billion – PER YEAR.

Still think illegal immigration is a “victimless crime” and we don’t need to control our borders? Remember, about 60% of the crimes being committed are by illegal aliens who were previously deported.

Allowing our borders to be disregarded coupled with little national commitment about doing anything about it has resulted in growing mayhem by illegal alien criminals, not a “victimless crime.”

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